When will the Pandaren be in WoW?


[October 2011 Update:  And now we know!  The Pandaren and their culture will be the central theme of WoW’s fourth expansion.  So when it will be released?  4th quarter of 2012 would be a safe bet.  Internally, Blizzard is probably thinking 2nd or 3rd quarter, but let’s face it… they always take a bit longer than they originally planned.]

[August 2011 Update:  Obviously with the recent announcement that Blizzard has trademarked “Mists of Pandaria”, it looks like the next expansion will be the Maelstrom/Lost Isles expansion we’ve all been waiting for, and it will indeed include the Pandaren.  Having read up on everything, here’s my speculation:

The Pandaren will be the first race that is available to both the Horde and the Alliance.  This will be accomplished in one of two ways:  Either the Pandaren will be a hero class, or they’ll simply be a race both factions can click on when they create a character.  If it is a hero class, then it seems obvious that what it will officially be is a, “Pandaren Brewmaster”.  If it is just a race though, then that leaves us with another question, “What about Brewmasters?”  Could the Lost Isles expansion have both a new race *and* a new class?  That’s possible.  Will Brewmaster then be that class?  Not necessarily.

Don’t forget that “Brewmaster” could also be a branch within a new class.  Personally, I think that’s the safer bet.  Why?  Because Pandaren also have Wardancers, Shodo-pans, and other schools of training.  The final question we’re really left with then is, “What would you call a class that includes, Brewmasters, Wardancers, Shodo-pans?”  The lore points to “Geomancer” but that just strikes me as misleading.  “Martial Artist” seems closer to the matter, but it lacks zazz.  We’ll just have to wait and see.]

[April 2011 Update:  As we all found out, the expansion involving “The Maelstrom” ended up not dealing with the Island Kingdoms such as Kul Tiras.  I’m betting those will be dealt with in the next expansion (after Cataclysm), which will be where we see the Pandaren.]

It’s one of the most burning questions in WoW, so let’s just jump right to the meat of this.  When will World of Warcraft have Pandaren?

The answer is, The Maelstrom Expansion.

So… How do we know this?  Themes.  Look at what Blizzard Entertainment has done so far.

The Burning Crusade introduced Blood Elves and the Draenei.  The Blood Elves, at the time, were desperate to reach Outland, and the Draenei were actually from Outland.  The theme of The Burning Crusade was the re-opening of the Dark Portal and Outland, and both of those new races fit that theme.

Now, with Wrath of the Lich King, we have been given the Death Knights.  Once again, Blizzard is following a theme:  Northrend, the Lich King, the Scourge.

Do you see where I’m going here?  Blizzard’s designers don’t just hap-hazardly throw things  into the expansions.  I see people constantly ask, “Why didn’t TBC or WOTLK have Pandaren?”  Why?  Because what the heck do the Pandaren have to do with Outland or Northrend?

So then where do they fit in?  The Pandaren are an island race.  Island.  That screams Maelstrom.  Aside from the Goblins and the Naga, you could not have a more fitting race.

Then the real question becomes, “Will they be a playable race?”  For that, your guess is as good as anyone else’s.  There are a ridiculous number of rumors  floating around about the Pandaren pushing and pulling in both directions.  But there are two that stand out.

The Chinese did not like the first iteration of the Pandaren, because they were a race of Chinese bears dressed in Japanese armor.   If you don’t understand the full impact of that, then look at it this way:  Imagine if the Chinese came out with a game featuring bald eagles dressed as Nazis.  Yes, it’s not a perfect comparison, and some of us would admittedly find that funny, but you get the idea.  Anyway, since the Pandaren have now been corrected, that rumor is moot and should be ignored.

The second rumor is the Chinese dislike the idea of a Panda Bear being killed in a video game.  Chinese ForsakenHeck knows if that’s true, but the Chinese do have some unusual censorship rules regarding death in video games.  Namely, you’re not supposed to show bones.  (So yes, if you play WoW in China the Forsaken do not show any bones, and when you die and res you leave a grave behind instead of a skeleton.)

If I had to make a guess, I’d say the Pandaren are going to be NPC’s.

If they ARE playable, however, then the next question is, “Which faction?”  Lore-wise right now it’s really a tie.  The Pandaren share the Dwarves’ celebratory love for ale, but they also share the Horde’s central belief in Shamanism.  My hope is if the Pandaren are a playable race, then they will be WoW’s first race available to both factions.

…Couple that with the Demon Hunter hero class we’ll get in the Emerald Dream expansion and I’ll be good to go.

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1 Dangablad January - 2009 at 7:29 am

You forget the third rumor, that the Pandaren are a joke race that gained so much popularity that Blizzard is now attempting to retcon and ignore them out of existence.

But yeah, I’d like to see them playable to both races. With a new Brewmaster class. That’s also available to Dwarves and Tauren.

As to the Demon Hunter expansion, if you’re sticking with themes, we would have to wait until Sargeras’ Homeworld (which I now believe we are getting too).

I would expect an Archmage hero class with Maelstrom. Zin-Azshari is right next to where the Well of Eternity used to be, so expect a lot of magic in that expansion.

I would also like to see a round of racial hero classes, like Priestesses of Elune, Gryphonriders, Undead Apothecaries, and Tauren that wield totems (real ones, not the puny shaman ones).

2 Fense February - 2009 at 2:32 am

Orc Blademaster please!

3 Zaiko March - 2009 at 12:20 am

Blade Master pls. Makes more sense for an islands and sea Hero Class. Prolly see half orcs and half elves before seing pandarens as a cross faction race. But who knows, we all wanna have a pandaren brewmaster, blizz has gotta know that 🙂 .

4 Tyler April - 2009 at 1:56 pm

I recently did a 3d model of there concept art to see what it would possibly look like in wow.

Check it out on my site polyputty.com

5 Sean June - 2009 at 6:30 am

As much as pandaren was at first a joke in wc3 many have a desire to see pandas in wow. The tauren was first a joke but they got in. Like the undead have been changed in the Chinese version, you could give them a difrent race in the first place. this would make it popular on bolth sides. as for the whole armor thing, world of warcraft comes with its own armor that has nothing to do with wc3, so it shouldnt offend.
with all the sites on this topic, hopefuly blizzard will see that and take this seriously and not just an april fools joke.

6 -T July - 2009 at 3:11 pm

It should be insanely easy to pick what the next two races should be:
Horde – Goblins
Alliance – Panderan

Both Goblins and Panderans come from island territories, hell there’s been tons of talk about making Undermine a real city, the Goblin’s capital.
And the Maelstrom is the next logically “point of attack” for both races, probably following uo with and ending all expansions with actually going to the demon home world of Sargeras.

Goblins have easily leaned more towards helping horde (blimps, guards at most of their ports, etc), while Panderans would give the Alliance a second race with playable Shamans.

I will admit freely that I would delete every character I have to play any class of Panderans.
Plus, Brewmasters would be a fun new occupation or hero class in general.

My two cents.


7 Fayt Leingod August - 2009 at 1:46 pm

The Pandaren go both ways. Itll be a playable character between both factions. Remember in W3 Frozen Throne? A pandaren allied Kael to free illidan from his cage. But they also taught the night elves magic. Theyll ally to both sides. First playable race for both factions. ^^

8 Chris Man September - 2009 at 10:00 am

The problem with pandas on bolth sides is it is COMPLETELY against there beliefs to kill eachother, and with all the pvp that is gona happen.

9 Sableye November - 2009 at 7:50 am

pandarians….um Pandaria is in Northrend…..h8 to dissappoint u but if you played The Frozen Throne, you woulda seen pandarians in the NR levels….
i don’t want to see them as a class or race, but i was a little dissappointed they didn’t showup for brewfest 09….i mean blizz even put in ale gardens in both faction’s sanctuaries in dalaran
plus the next expansion isnt mailstrom it’s cataclysm so maybe we will see pandarians somewhere cas they came out of hiding and decided to help the world…demon hunter class…sounds awsome but thatd just make it a mele warlock…
just trying to update the articled

10 Johnnee Shoe Shine March - 2010 at 1:44 pm

Good talking going on here. I am a huge fan of Frozen Throne and I can tell you guys this. Pandaren are not fair being alliance of horde factions. I dont have any solid reasoning behind that but its just opinion. If Pandaren become a playable race then Blizzard should and must take a huge step into the game of WoW and create a third faction… I could write a million pages on why this would be a great idea and some on how it wouldnt be a good idea. Although almost every major. popular and well-created game is a balance of two different teams, a whole new string of strategy and role-play can come out of this big boom. It would bring more of a togetherness in the existing factions. the third faction could be a race of two of believers that think the Horde and Alliance are destroying the world and that they must stop them. Sort of like the Aeon from Supreme Commander. Lots of promoting and brainstorming could make this the biggest, and successful transition in gaming ever.

11 Russ January - 2011 at 2:10 pm

I’ve been toying around with the ideas of the Pandaren race for a day or two now and this is what I’ve come up with as a possible work around. I’ll start by saying I’m not really a fan of the race but if it is to come (and it seems too popular to not) then I hope it is implemented similar to this. I appologize in advance for how poorly this is put together as I am thinking through this as I type.

I don’t think you’ll see Pandaren as a playable race so much as adding them as a Hero class. Like the DK, you’ll start at lvl 55 on the Pandaren Empire of Pandaria and be able to be played by any race. Your character will have a B/W color overlay (kind of a panda like face paint or something) on the current look of the character (much like the color change and glowing eyes on the DK) to show the Pandaren class off. The progression will start you training with the Pandaren teaching how the class works. I would like to see it be a “monk” type class. This would better implement fist weapons. It could work similar to a rogue with slightly less DPS but increased CC and aoe heals (within a limited area).
We could see an interesting change where the different talent trees offer different armor/weapon specializations. For instance, let’s say one tree offers cloth/fist weapons and daggers and increased chance of dodge with increased healing, but lowest DPS of the three trees, while the next tree is more balanced offering leather / polearms, staves, and bows and has slightly higher DPS and middle of the road heals, while the final tree is the real dps spec with mail / dual wield one handed swords/maces/axes, but at the cost of having the lowest healing and less ability to dodge.
We could see the healing work similar to the palading Word of Glory spell, where we would have some skills building “chi” to be used for heals. The heals could work as an aoe hot spell withing 8 yards of character.
I think that would offer an interesting dynamic offering greater balance between the classes looking for gear and offering another healing class. This would also work around any sort of chinese interference as the Pandarens themselves would always be in proper Chinese clothing as they would all be NPCs, but it would offer them in-game to players.

12 Cocles January - 2011 at 12:57 am

@Russ. Interesting concept. I like the idea of chi as a resource and you definitely have a good work around in that you’re playing a class that is a traditional race, except trained by the Pandarens. Very interesting.

13 Bob June - 2011 at 5:53 am

Firstly. Blizzard has already announced that they will not implement another hero class, so pandaren as a hero class… Will never happen, neither will demon hunter.

Secondly. The Idea of a third faction is absolutely dumb, they would be mercenaries that work with both races, and that would fuck up the whole idea of Horde vs. Alliance. If Pandaren becomes a playable race, they would most likely join the Horde, as they find the alliance too complicated, and they shun arcane power.

Lastly. The next expansion after Cataclysm will most likely either be an emerald dream thing or a dark side of Azeroth thing. Both which would be a great idea to implement pandaren, either as a faction or a playable race, the other race could be naga that shuns the idea of following the Old gods, and hate themselves or their ancestors for doing it. Both races are druidic to some extent. and therefore a good idea to implement in an emerald dream expansion. In a Dark side of Azeroth expansion, they could implement the Azotha to join the Alliance (Azotha is the ones who came before the humans), as they may be thriving in peace on the dark side of Azeroth, it could also be Dark Trolls, since they seem to have ties with the Night Elves, and the night elves respects them.

That is all

14 Random dude 222 August - 2011 at 4:44 am

Sorry to bump a really old thread but as of now it looks like “The Mist of Pandaria” is going to be the next expansion… well either that or Warcraft 4. So look forward 2 2011 blizzcon for info on it!

15 Cocles August - 2011 at 4:48 am

Yeah, I’m looking at that right now. Good stuff!

And feel free to bump all of the old threads you want! 😉

16 Random dude 222 August - 2011 at 4:48 am

Oh and the whole “Chinese don’t like panda bears in there games.” thing is stupid because pandarians are in both wow (as a non combat pet) and warcraft 3 as creatures that die. Just sayian.

17 Jim August - 2011 at 12:10 am

I like and hate the idea of this new race. The reason is simple, the more classes you make the more one class sucks.(Warrior->Paladin). A new class? NO!

Now becoming a playable race by both factions, what are you thinking blizzard? I mean…wouldn’t that kill the idea of Horde vs Alliance? Okay, say you do make it playable by both factions. How is the PvP going to act? How are the world cities going to react? How will the market react(horde people trading with alliance?). and last time I checked, when did I see a furry animal and a undead together? Better yet a Orc and a furry creature? Pandas need to be Alliance only, or they need to be implanted into the game in a relatively good manner.

I could continue to right a million reasons why they should and shouldnt, but honestly, if blizzard wants to put it in, they will. And I’m sure people will judge this comment in disgust. But that’s your opinion, just like this is mine.

Hopefully blizzard doesn’t mess it up. 🙂


18 Perrin August - 2011 at 3:24 pm

Realistically, Pandarens won’t be a playable race. a) There is no way to make the same race accessible on both sides without a massive outcry from the PVP community. Armour looks the same (or is made to look different anyway). b) Lore wise in the way the game works, it’d be hard to have one race on both sides. It was tricky enough to slip goblins in, and they’re not on both sides, but have a neutral component. c) Pandaren, moreso than goblins or blood elves or worgen, have been the race that *everyone* always wanted, so whichever side you pick there’s going to be people cancelling their accounts because they couldn’t be Pandaren with their friends etc.

Hero Class? Maybe, but again, there’s already 10 classes, and you’d be hard pressed to find another niche for a hero class. It won’t be Melee because the last one was, so that also rules out tanking. It would have to be either a ranged caster or a healer, or hybrid of the two. I could imagine a new cloth caster, but I don’t really think we need another.

19 Cocles August - 2011 at 4:21 pm

Keep in mind that Blizzard always follows themes. Even with the wonky plot elements they sometimes throw at us, they still manage to follow themes. With that in mind… if there’s a new class tied to the Pandaren, a society seeped in the martial arts, do you really think it’d be a cloth caster? I’m betting if there’s a new class, it’ll have a tanking, healing, and melee DPS spec. I’d further guess that Brewmaster would be the DPS spec, although, since that would be the spec everyone would want to play, it’d probably be wiser to somehow make it a tanking or healing spec.

One other thing to keep in mind. Blizzard tends to pilfer the best elements from it’s rival MMO’s (this is a good thing). Most of the logistical PVP improvement we saw in WOTLK were taken from WAR (being able to queue from anywhere, etc). This year, the big MMO release was Rift, and something that game had, which WoW blatantly does not is an actual, viable, evasion tank. Going off of that, I’d more specifically guess that the new class’s three specs would be “evasion tank, “melee DPS”, and healing. The melee DPS would probably focus on “martial arts” style moves, so I’m betting the weapons focus would be pole arms, staves, and finally at long last– fist weapons. The real question I’m wracking my brain over right now is whether everyone will be able to roll this new class, or if it’ll be tied to the Pandaren as a “Pandaren Hero Class”.

20 Perrin August - 2011 at 4:44 pm

Given that we think that the end boss will be Azshara, the ‘theme’ of Mists of Pandaria may have less to do with the Pandarens (despite the catchy title) and more to do with the Naga, perhaps with an invasion of the Pandaren homeland by Azshara’s forces. Thus the caster aspect being related to a race created out of an earth shattering magical battle over a massive source of magical energy… might be right along the theme.

21 Cocles August - 2011 at 4:49 pm

Yeah, that’s definitely true. The naga theme could easily support a new caster. If the player race is Pandaren though, I’m apt to think that any new class would follow that line instead.

We’ll just have to wait and see. 😉

22 Neurotoxin August - 2011 at 11:31 am

My guess is if we see Brewmaster, it’ll be as a new profession, offering short term buffs similar to potions.

23 Aevilynne October - 2011 at 9:34 am

You know what hero class I’d like to see? Dark Ranger – here’s why.
When WOTLK was on the way, death knights showed up as NPCs. Currently, there are several dark rangers around as NPCs. I think it would take the idea of death knights as being a sort of cross of dark Paladins and Warlocks, and run with it – a Dark Ranger could be a hunter/warlock hybrid sort of thing.

I say this because Sylvanas is my favorite character in all of WoW. And I want to be in her elite squad. 😀

24 Perrin October - 2011 at 5:07 pm

So with the Blizzard confirmation that Mists of Pandaria is not the next expansion… will we ever see Pandaren in the game?

25 Cocles October - 2011 at 5:16 pm

Nah, it’s coming; I still stand by my predictions. The next expansion will have Kul Tiras, deal with the other islands, and have the Pandaren. It just won’t be called “Mists of Pandaria”.

26 Perrin October - 2011 at 5:47 pm

“if you look at traditionally how we’ve handled that race it’s been in those secondary products because we haven’t realized it in the world. Most of the time when we do anything panda-related it’s going to be a comic book or a figurine or something like that.” – Tom Chilton

/raise usual objections for China and “who gets them” etc.

27 Cocles October - 2011 at 8:03 pm

China is so off sync compared to the rest of us when it comes to WoW, that it’s tough to even take “Chinese WoW” into consideration when speculating. The Chinese don’t allow bones in their games, yet somehow we still managed to have WotLK. If the Pandaren are an issue for China then Blizzard will simply remove the Pandaren from Chinese WoW in the next expansion.

28 Perrin October - 2011 at 8:31 pm

The point being that if ‘most of the time’ its not WoW directly, then they’re unlikely to have an entire expansion where they’re a major player.

29 Cocles October - 2011 at 8:39 pm

Gotcha. The statement just sounds so coy to me… “most of the time”? Why would Blizzard say that when we all know that, so far, it has been “all of the time”. Is it a hint? It is nothing? Like I said– it just strikes me as coy. I’m still not wavering: Pandaren, next expansion, available to both factions. It’s the class/hero class part I’m unsure of… but you can bet it’ll follow along the Pandaren theme.

30 Perrin October - 2011 at 8:44 pm

a) Chen’s empty keg
b) Pandaren Monk Pet
c) The April Fools Pandaren food delivery back in Vanilla.

Its not completely 100% or “all of the time”. There have been references to the Pandaren’s in the Brewfest too. They’re all incidental and not lore-driven though. I think that’s what he’s referring to with the “most of the time”.

If anything the “haven’t realized it in the world” has a massive hanging “yet”. That’s about the only glimmer of hope.

31 Niels Bakker October - 2011 at 2:52 pm

I don’t think the Pandaran will be the same playable race on both sides;
What I mean be that is that the Pandaran clan will spread into two seperate ones.

Pandaran clan A) Joins the Dwarves for their love of ale.
Pandaran clan B) Joins the Horde for their love of shamanism.

It’s a bit like night elves and blood elves – they’re both elves but different in a certain way.

I think this because in my opinion the Pandaran shouldn’t be neutral – the whole concept of Horde VS Alliance is a bit doubted. Why should a Pandaran from the Horde fight against a Pandaran from the Alliance if they’re the same race? Do you get what I mean?

32 Perrin October - 2011 at 5:02 pm

“I think this because in my opinion the Pandaran shouldn’t be neutral – the whole concept of Horde VS Alliance is a bit doubted. Why should a Pandaran from the Horde fight against a Pandaran from the Alliance if they’re the same race? Do you get what I mean?”

Shouldn’t this mean they *should* stay neutral, since they don’t want to fight their own race? If they’re neutral then they can deal with both sides without having to pick one. They could even act as peacemaker intermediaries between the sides.

33 LiLTerra October - 2011 at 6:14 am

Login In Wow Look At The Char creation screen a horde banner and a ally banner how about putting The pandapeople or watever there names are in the middle. When You click On Them You Selects One of the 2 classes Melee , Magic or Hybird. Now you started your charecter you train until you get talent points when you can choose a Talent Tree which is split into 3 other trees (yes i know it sounds compliated ) . After YoU Finish Your New Class Training (you get round 5 talents in it) A War Happens On the island because of the old ruler dying and no one knows which of the rulers son should be king (there twins) One is helped by the horde and one is helped by the allies (neither side wins) The Island is split into 3 during the war (a Earthquake) 2 Main Islands And One island in the middle the middle island is like that place in nagrand and the side islands are the pandarens main citys. You Can Choose who to help . Because of the island splitting the CHI is messed up So People Who Live on Ally Island have blue chi and the horde island get red chi! And pandarens should not be DKs. The Middle Island Is Also Full Of Rebels From Both Sides Who Think Both Twins Should Not Be King . So The dungeons are on that island. There Is Also A Neutral Pandaaren Fraction Which Helps Destroy The Rebels

34 Randy Mashak October - 2011 at 4:33 pm

We ask to get the Pandarens, blizzard responds, now ignorant players are claiming Blizzard’s pulled this thing right out of their ass despite them being around for oh-so-much longer than, say, Kung-fu Panda.

35 Cocles October - 2011 at 4:45 pm

There will always be haters. I’ll be writing up a lot more about this tonight or this weekend. The fact that Pandaria will be taking up the entire next Expansion gives us a huge implication.

36 Dan October - 2011 at 1:21 pm

I would say that there is going to be a new column for neutral chars such as the Pandaren. If we try to get people thinking “If Pandarens are going to be neutral, what else can be that can be neutral to WoW?” There are Nagas, Murlocs, Ogres, and others (I can’t think of) that can be neutral with the Pandaren to both factions.

37 Perrin October - 2011 at 8:30 pm

Pandas will not be neutral.

You will choose a faction at L110. That said, GC did mention the idea of allowing the 50 character cap to be the only character restriction, not 10 per server. So you could have 5 on 10 servers or 50 on one server.

38 Milan Sovilj October - 2011 at 7:18 pm

As far as release goes… From what I have seen it looks very nice atm. Who knows hoping for 3rd or 2nd quarter still!

39 Psychomantis October - 2011 at 5:52 am

I don’t really get how PvP with Pandarens from both factions will work, I mean will horde Pandarens be darker and Allience Pandarens be brighter? Just saying. And why have they only showed the male character yet? What will the female look like?

40 Cocles October - 2011 at 1:15 pm

The female models aren’t finished yet. It was the same case with Worgen; the female models didn’t show up until testing had begun.

As for PVP, arenas answer that question. Horde and Alliance Pandaren will look the same. In PVP we rely on the UI; that’s why we’re able to have Horde vs. Horde arena matches. “Red is dead!”

41 Dearbabyjesusburgers November - 2011 at 2:55 pm

“When life throws you pandas, join the darkside,” is what I am sticking by. I am so sorry but I played my seven years to WoW and went through a lot of disappointing nerfs and changes that I tried to ignore and still play the game. The last three years I felt that I was hanging on by a string. However, seven years later, I am now 23 and I am a marketing grad who sees the concept of Pandas bringing in more “casual players” in the sense that players that tend to games occasionally and do not control the aspect of what is really going on.

The new pet battles (instead of fixing issues with PvP already) and the ignoring dev team simply is telling us that they are taking a new direction with the game and will not compete with the new MMORPGS by pushing a expansion like this.

Now, I love WoW and it was a great part of my life and a real nice experience, but sadly, I will not play an expansion like this where the game is becoming more like a Sesame Street MMORPG. It sucks (I know) to lose a game like this but I am even discontinuing the blogging about it so this may very well be my last statement about WoW.

After seeing the expansion and the details, for the first time in seven years, I cancelled my WoW subscription and got a phone call from customer service (16 x 12 x 7= $1344 spent on wow so of course they want to know if I would come back) I explained to them that this is too much now for the younger crowd of ages 13-17 and there is no more need for adults to play this game next November.

If we have ever raided, pvp’d, or partied up…you were all great players and thanks for the experience. 2900Arena Rated never felt so good without meeting a lot of influencing people. Good luck to those who stay in WoW and I hope good fortunes for you all. Take care.

42 Cocles November - 2011 at 6:58 pm

Good luck. It looks like Star Wars is going to be a great game and I’ll be playing it myself (along with WoW). Maybe you’ll be back for expansion 5. If Mists of Pandaria really does end up just taking care of more casual players, perhaps the silver lining to that will be Blizzard not needing to worry so much about the casual players in expansion 5.

43 Perrin November - 2011 at 7:54 pm

For all the yelling about quitting WoW (which is nothing new), we were discussing this in guild the other day, and we came to one conclusion. Most of us will not quit WoW unless something better comes along. Not ‘like WoW’ or ‘draws on lessons from WoW’ or even ‘WoW clone’, but something that actually is better.

Our desired indicators:
* After 1 year, more than 1-2 million active subscribers, and climbing.
* Lack of ‘flowback’ – People who leave to play the new game who start ‘just logging in to see what’s happening’ on WoW after a few months.
* Non-Gamer recognition – How many times have you heard stuff about other MMO’s in mainstream media?
* Lack of ‘gimmick’ patches – e.g. reskinning boss models, but not changing gameplay or real content.

44 Cocles November - 2011 at 8:38 pm

WoW is such a staple, that I flat out don’t see there ever being a game that lacked “flowback”. Even Titan will probably have a degree of flowback. I think we need to make a distinction between “flowback to WoW” vs. “flowback to other games”.

If there was one company who could take it to Blizzard it’d be Bioware, so I have high hopes for Star Wars. At the very least it’ll be like AoC, great for the first 30 levels or so. At best, it’ll be a strong second contender to WoW, and a perfectly suitable, FUN alternative well worth playing for years.

The fog of war will clear up a lot when we finally know more about Titan. It’ll be low sci-fi and friendly for casuals, but that’s all I’m comfortable predicting at this point.

45 Witch King November - 2011 at 2:54 am

Well, do not forget that it is yet a working title which may change with time, other than that i do not like the idea of panda bears running around the ogrimmar, let alone horde, give this shit to the alliance if its playable race, thats about it;)

46 griffyn December - 2011 at 5:08 am

i think the pandaren shood be a death knight that will be cool

47 griffyn December - 2011 at 5:11 am

if not a druid

48 nothing January - 2012 at 8:31 pm

why do blizzard always make most of all the games they make late so no 1 can go on them and now I’m sick of waiting.

49 Garedrid January - 2012 at 10:26 pm

if you want to get technical and balance the game out more then i would for sure make panderan’s both playable on each faction. And on that note of balance, make panderan the alternative to dks’ in a sense of. like if they made the monks the new dk, and made it so you are always able to go to either place, yet you could to it as if you were in shat city. so you could do either or make one or the other, but doing quests for the other would make it so that you would not be able to tread on other places until you made your full choice. example. i play for aldors or w/e and can no longer play or associate with scryer members(for the most part). or just like a gnome death knight wouldnt go into tarisfal glades w/o getting merked off, yet you could like make a special brew that takes you back to wherever they are stationed. Honestly I i dont care but its interesting to banter on about, honestly who knows

50 Al February - 2012 at 5:26 pm

KUNG FOO PANDA!!!!! lol Yeah….I still have no idea where these Pandas fit into the actual WoW storyline…..

51 LilTerra December - 2012 at 6:00 am


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