Sith Purebloods – Why did they Disappear?




Sith Pureblood

It’s easily one of the greatest mysteries in Star Wars lore…”What happened to the Sith species?

This then begs the question, does SWTOR offer us any clues?  Yes.  It does.  But don’t get too excited.  The Sith were already “extinct” in Darth Bane’s era, so Lucasfilm still has a window of some 2500 years to play with.  What does SWTOR give us?  Seeds.  Small snippets of information that could one day become the reason the Sith species is gone and an explanation as to how it will someday return.

But first, let’s break this down a bit.  We’re actually asking several questions.  Were the Sith wiped out?  What happened?  Will they return?  How?


Were the Sith wiped out?  No.  Something happened, but they’re not extinct.  Why?  I just don’t see Lucasfilm cutting themselves off from ever using a Sith Pureblood in any legacy era stories.  The Sith are simply too huge of a story asset to be permanently killed off.


But could *most* of them have been killed off?  Sure.  That’s definitely possible.  Star Wars has a growing theme of Sith Lords wiping out huge portions of their supporters if it serves their own self interest.  Naga Sadow did this… and it isn’t a stretch to see the SWTOR Emperor doing it too.  If this turns out to be the case, then I have to wonder if SWTOR’s story will ultimately end with answering “what happened to the sith”.

So, it’s possible that most of the Sith were wiped out, but what of the survivors?  There’s really only two possibilities: exile, or stasis.

Is it reasonable theb that remaining Sith purebloods have been hiding out all this time in wild space?  Certainly.  An entire planet of stranded human Sith was recently discovered in the Luke Skywalker era, so we have precedent.  One could suggest the Sith purebloods escaping via time travel, but I think that borders on the absurd.  The Thrawn trilogy was supposed to include Sith purebloods, but they were changed to Noghri.  It’s rumored that the Yuuzhan Vong were also originally supposed to be Sith purebloods.

The other possibility is “stasis”, something Star Wars lore has loved for years from Han Solo all the way to Abeloth today.  But carbonite is messy business, with issues such as hibernation sickness.  We know it lasts for years, perhaps even centuries, but what about millennia?  For the Sith purebloods to survive into legacy era lore, the Sith Empire would need to have acquired technology that could reliably hibernate an entire race for thousands of years.  Enter Belsavis.

Minor spoilers abound at this point, but I think you’ll be safe.  Belsavis is one of the zones in SWTOR.  It’s a prison planet for the Republic, but it goes deeper than that.  Belsavis was also a prison planet for the Infinite Empire tens of thousand of years before.  It’s where the Rakata imprisoned an entire race known as the Esh-kha.  In the Imperial Bonus Series, the Empire acquires this Rakatan technology and intends to build their own Belsavis-style prison as a space station.  Could this station or one like it be used to store the pureblood Sith into the legacy era?  You bet it could.

Here’s an interesting side note.  I almost considered not including it, but hey.  Just keep in mind, this is pure fanboy speculation.  SWTOR revealed that the Emperor Palpatine based the aesthetic of his own Empire on that of SWTOR’s Sith Empire.  That’s why Star Destroyers and Vader’s armor harken back to this style.  One thing I haven’t seen anywhere though are orbs.  So where did the aesthetic for the Death Star come from?  It could just be an original design, but it seems weird that Palpatine would give everything a Sith Empire aesthetic except for his own super weapon.

Where am I going with this?  Eventually, one of SWTOR’s future patches will reveal the Empire’s new super prison.  Imagine the twist if this prison turns out to be orb shaped.  A big, Imperial orb… floating in space. Hm.

With the introduction of Rakata prison, the Sith Empire now has the technology necessary to bring the Sith species into the Legacy era.  Sure, Sith purebloods may technically be ancient Sith/Human hybrids, but there’s something cool and logical about the idea of a Death Star shaped prison floating through space, waiting for someone like Cade Skywalker to discover the legions of red Sith sleeping inside.

We’ll just have to wait and see.

 

{ 26 comments… read them below or add one }

1 bornFromAsh February - 2012 at 10:52 am

First time reader here. I found you via the /r/swtor subreddit. I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. It brings up some exciting speculations and ideas. Keep up with the Swtor/SW lore. I digs!

2 twan February - 2012 at 10:57 am

your question about the orb shaped death star what about the starforge it could be partially designed on that.

3 Cocles February - 2012 at 2:11 pm

@bornfromAsh – Thank you, much appreciated! I’ll do my best to keep them coming.

@twan – That’s an awesome suggestion I hadn’t thought of. If that turned out to be the case it’d be interesting to learn how Palpatine knew what the Star Forge looked like, since it’d probably involve Revan in some way (a journal of his, etc.).

4 Yjamie February - 2012 at 7:16 am

I love reading your lore speculations.. whether it be Warcraft or Star Wars! Great articel again!

Please keep up with both of them!

5 Brigwyn March - 2012 at 8:29 am

I got to hand it to you. You always get me thinking that’s for sure. ;)

What if instead of a giant prison, the Death Star was modeled after somewhere type of planet escape vehicle? That the Sith are actually not hidden nor “lost” but in a giant orbit only to return at some undetermined time.

But maybe another possibility is the Sith are suppose to be a moral lesson on what happens when any race becomes too focused on their own self importannce and the really are all but extinct?

Personally, I would prefer that

6 Cocles March - 2012 at 10:19 am

Interesting… your “orbit” idea could also work with a man-made prison.

7 Stormcrow March - 2012 at 1:11 am

Not trying to change the subject here but i have heard several rumors that swtor might become free to play in the near future, any truth to that?

8 Dudenstein March - 2012 at 3:04 am

To Stormcrow – none whatsoever, if anything the game’s numbers are growing so they won’t go F2P anytime soon as long as that keeps happening. Think those rumours are just that; rumours.

9 Atceth March - 2012 at 9:06 pm

You need to run Red Reaper. Very interesting stuff on this topic in that Flashpoint.

10 Cocles March - 2012 at 1:27 am

Oh, I’ve run it. It’s one of the story points that got me thinking about this. Obviously, to preserve the race better tech would be needed, but the philosophy is there.

11 JR April - 2012 at 8:08 pm

Rakatan technology might also be a cause for the necessary technology to keep their entire species in stasis.

12 Alex August - 2013 at 2:58 am

To the blogger:

Thank you for posting this blog, it really answers some questions for my research. However, it also leaves many questions unanswered and please note that when I refer to Sith, I am referring to the Sith Purebloods, or the “Alien Sith” (Darth Vader, Darth Sidious, Darth Talon, Darth Maul, etc. are not Sith Purebloods and therefore not true Sith). In another blog by “rawn”, it is suggested that – in simple terms – Jedi are compared to Japanese Samurai. Jedi are portrayed as benevolent, chivalrous, and virtuous; the good guys. The Sith however do not have a direct comparison, nor does George Lucas elaborate more on their political ideology or their culture. In the eyes of the good guys; Sith represent everything that humanity despises and all of their more malign nature.

Then it begs the questions, “Who are the Sith? What do they believe in? What are their values and their traditions?”

First of all let’s get some historical facts straightened out. The Japanese Samurai were an honorable bunch, whose code of honor was their moral measuring stick. But this does make them into saints or much less benevolent. Miyamoto Musashi was considered to be a sword-saint, even though he never achieved true enlightenment, and he fought during the Sengoku Era, killed a lot of people.

“In today’s terms, they would considered to be single-minded and ruthless. Their sense of chivalry is not the idealistic romanticized version of Arthurian legends and European myth. In fact, those ideals are closer to the Jedi; the very clearly defined, although fairly blase, “good” side of the force. Samurai had the right to kill anyone of a lower class (farmers, artisans, merchants) and did not even need to have a motive. They fought the wars against other samurai based on what their lord indicated, and often that meant devastation to the rest of the population.” -rawn

In some respects, the Sith are more Samurai than their Jedi counterparts. Because if we were take the Sith culture more seriously, the Sith are undoubtedly a martial people, who are deeply rooted in their traditions, and follow a strict code of honor. I would argue that Sith want to attack on Jedi on sight, may be because it is a matter of honor. During the Great Hyperspace War, the Sith Empire invaded the Galactic Republic and failed. And in turn, the Republic sent their armies and the Jedi to invade the Sith homeworlds, slay their emperor, lay waste to their cities, and subjugate their people. How cannot the Sith avenge this grievous offense, and make war on an ancient, and most bitter of enemies? “The enemy of my lord, is my enemy.”

However, we should be mindful that the backstory is very simple and easy to understand metaphorical comparisons; good versus evil, and good must triumph over evil. The Sith are and always will be the antagonists, bad guys, and ass holes in the Star Wars Universe; and the Jedi are protagonists, the heroes, and the boy scouts. But nonetheless, there are so-called Dark Jedi in the Jedi Order, as much as there are so-called Light Leaning Sith. So should we judge the Sith race by the actions of non-Sith Purebloods? Or should we judge the entire Jedi Order by the actions of errant or Dark Jedi? And there is one controversy that I find disturbing with the Jedi – it is prophecy of the Chosen One – that is pivotal in the Prequel Trilogies.

“You speak of the prophecy. The one that predicts that the Chosen One will come, and DESTROY the Sith, and restore balance to the Force?” – Mace Windu

I find this quote disturbing in that the Jedi Order are supposed to be Guardians of the Republic. Ambassadors, peacekeepers, humanitarians, etc. And yet they have a so-called prophecy that can perhaps inspire, or mislead, people to commit murder against a Sith. Or, in the extreme case, it may even partially validate genocide. Which leads me to my most pressing question, “Did the Jedi Order ever sanction Genocide on the Sith people? Or, more disturbingly, did they turn a blindeye to Dark Jedi who wanted to destroy the Sith?” Because when Jedi Quigon Jin reported that he had encountered a Sith, everyone on the Jedi Council were very surprised. They all thought that the Sith were extinct. Is this an admission of the Jedi Council that their predecessors had ordered that the Sith be exterminated? Or is this simply stating a matter of fact? Either way, the Jedi Order as whole, has an attitude of indifference even when they find something offensive, they are not confrontational.

In one of the Dark Horse comic series, there were Jedi Padawans who wanted to kill or capture General Grievous. When the senior leadership of the Jedi Order caught wind of this, they did nothing to stop the errant Padawans, even though the Jedi Council decided that what the Padawans were doing was against the Jedi Code. Even after the last survivor of their quest, told the Jedi Council that Grievous was kidnapping force-sensitive children, to make them in cyborgs to be a part of his personal bodyguards – the Magna Guards – the Jedi Order still did not issue a kill order on Grievous. But, if the errant Padawans were successful it would been in the Jedi’s favor anyway. Likewise, when Anakin Skywalker killed a fellow Padawan in a medical bay in front of a Jedi Master, the Jedi Master just reprimanded with a few harsh words but nothing more. When Dark Jedi wanted to kill Sith and went against the Jedi Council, the Jedi Council let them go and let do what they pleased.

So it would not be hard to imagine if a Dark Jedi was reminded, or was informed of the Prophecy of the Chosen One. Especially the long years in fighting the Sith Empire, the frustrations they may have felt in obeying the Jedi Code that contrains their freedoms, or the political attitudes that added the veracity and animosity between Sith and Jedi. Now imagine a Dark having an army at their command, and has the authority to use enough fire power to lay waste to a whole system. What would a Jedi do if they heard about the prophecy, that essentially says that it is not a sin to kill a Sith?

How hard would it be for a Jedi to be the self-proclaimed “Chosen One”?

And given that the STOR backstory offers such a bleak picture of the Old Republic fighting for its existence, it would not be that far of a stretch for the Galactic Senate to endorse the Prophecy.

Therefore in my opinion, I believe that the Sith were indeed wiped out, and quite possibly by the Jedi in the name of the Force.

13 Alex August - 2013 at 3:00 am
14 Alex August - 2013 at 3:04 am

“If Jedi are like Samurai, what are the Sith?” by Rawn Shan, June 27th, 2007
Published by IBM.com, developerWorks, All Rights Reserved.
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/rawn/entry/if_jedi_are_samurai_what?lang=en

Rawn Shan
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/profiles/html/profileView.do?userid=100000R0P5&lang=en

15 Cocles September - 2013 at 4:59 pm

When dealing with Samurai we always have to remember that there are Samurai and there are “Samurai”. In other words, as with European Knights, the Samuai tend to be romanticized. Historically speaking, we should also remember that a lot of these honor and moral codes we hear about and read were written during a substantial time of peace in Japan.

In other words, we had an entire warrior class with nothing to do but sit around and pontificate about what makes one the ideal warrior. None of these warriors, however, were actually enduring substantial times of war. If we wanted to be harsh, we could almost get away with calling them a bunch of posers. They’re born into a warrior caste, they train their asses off, and then they sit around write books all day about what it takes to be a warrior. This of course begs the question, “How the hell would they know?”

Enough with the history lesson, though; let’s get back to a Galaxy far, far away. The very first Star Wars movie was essentially a re-imagining of the Samuai film “The Hidden Fortress”. Lucas loves Samuai films, and Star Wars is basically a samurai film based in outer-space that uses Campbell’s heroic journey as its structure.

Lore-wise, I also believe the Jedi until recently were heavily flawed. Beyond the genocide they likely committed against the Sith, the Jedi were still an order for peace and prosperity, who at the same time denied their members love. As we saw in the prequels, this flaw ultimately led to them being wiped out when Palpatine pulled this thread with Anakin.

Later, when Luke Skywalker was able to reform the order, some of the older Jedi still nonetheless protested Skywalker’s decision to allow Jedi to marry. Fortunately, Skywalker had the gumption to point out, to paraphrase, “It was the denial of my mother’s love that turned my father to the dark side, and it was my love for him that turned him back to the light. So yeah– the door is that way if you don’t like my decision.”

This isn’t to say the Sith aren’t emphatically worse. Why? They are a culture that embraces slavery. Something I would love to know is whether or not Darth Malgus supported this view. I’m of the opinion that he did not, or at least heavily questioned it.

Were I to have my druthers, I would love to see the New Jedi Order set against Darth Malgus’s New Empire. Interestingly, the Rakatta Stasis technology could make that happen. For all we know, Malgus could be in that stasis orb I speculated.

16 Alex September - 2013 at 1:20 am

What if one were to write a book from the point of view of the Sith Purebloods?

Say, before, during, and after the Clone Wars.

The Jedi and the Galactic Republic are the antagonists of the story, and the main character is a Sith Pureblood who serves as a Special Forces Operative. On his homeworld, the world population is almost all Sith. He is employed in counter-intelligence operations, he trains local militias to fight Republic and Jedi forces who had invaded their homeworlds, he protects diplomats and their envoys from assassinations attempts, and he witnesses the persecution of Sith at the hands of the Jedi.

To the main character, the Republic is an implacable adversary of the Sith, whose foreign policy of including even more systems into its hegemony is, borderline, imperialistic. The Republic’s shock troops are the Jedi Knights, who have time and again have meddled into the internal affairs of independent systems. Examples of these, include Jedi Master Obiwan Kenobi and Padawan Anakin Skywalker resorting to “aggressive negotiations”. Doubtless, the Jedi have claimed that all of the time their compatriots had drawn their light sabers, had been in self-defense; yet the end result is the same, the Jedi had enforced the Senate’s will and advanced their political agenda. The Jedi Order even have a special detachment called the Imperial Guard, and yet they are supposed to be “…keepers of the peace, not soldiers.”

Even the Jedi’s established role as peace keepers and diplomats, to be a shining beacon of peace and prosperity, had more or less been instruments to maintain the galaxy’s status quot. Former Jedi Master Count Dooku left the Jedi Order after the wrongful imprisonment of Jango Fett, after realizing that he and his comrades had been manipulated, and the Jedi Order did nothing to stop it.

And then comes the critiques of Sith culture. To the main character, the criticism though they may be valid, is just propaganda, from the narrative of the Jedi to sway inter-galactic opinion against the Sith. For all we know slavery may be unlawful in Sith society by this time after a long period of interacting with the Republic. Or more pragmatically, the Sith may have strict laws that make lifelong servitude unlawful, and allow for only indentured servants. Or slavery may not be an issue in Sith society, given that the slave population is kept to a minimum to protect jobs for their freemen. The main character may counter that the Republic is no less ignorant of slavery.

Because there seems to be no organized effort, by the Jedi to breakup the slave trade in Republic space, even it may be staring them in the face. Likewise, the Republic seems to have a problem with their economic woes, whose political body may not be able, or unwilling to address the galaxy’s unemployment problems. One may argue that one of the primary, and fundamental reasons for the Confederacy of Independent Systems to break away, is the lack of economic development, and the perpetuation of a political-economic system that favored the more developed systems. These economic pressures are exacerbated by the inclusion of droids in the workplace, and perhaps collusion between the Republic authority and the mega-corporations against the galaxy’s working poor. So in the end, for a Sith, the harsh rhetoric against the Sith people from the Republic and the Jedi is nothing but hypocrisy.

And then, there is this narrative:

“In the Galactic Republic and the Jedi Order, the Sith are considered to be the cause of all of society’s social and economic ills. The Sith are the cause of every war and every major conflict that the Galactic Republic had ever fought – the Sith constantly conspire and scheme to overthrow the Galactic Republic, simply because they hate everything that the Republic stands for. A so-called “Sith Conspiracy”. The Sith worship the Dark Side, they are ruthless, war mongering, blood thirsty murderers, liars, and thieves. The Jedi Order must stand ever vigilant, and on guard against the return of the Sith, who constantly threaten the peace and stability of the galaxy. The Jedi had prophesied that a chosen one would rise, destroy the Sith, and restore balance to the Force. The Jedi, the Knights of the Republic, are the thin blue line who stand against the tyrannical, destructive, and malevolent influence of the Sith.”

If you were an ordinary Sith walking down the street and minding your own business, and you heard this, would you feel threatened? Because the overall message from above is: “The only GOOD SITH, is a DEAD ONE.” If Darth Malgus came back from stasis and saw Sith Diasporas living throughout the galaxy and living under fear because of this, what would he do? And what would Luke Skywalker and his New Jedi Order do in this situation; this dark legacy of the Jedi Order and the Old Republic?

17 Cocles September - 2013 at 3:53 pm

Interesting. You should check out the legacy era of Star Wars that begins around 137 years after the Battle of Yavin. There is a Sith resurgence (even the rule of two is ignored), yet there are still no Sith Purebloods. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when Lucasfilm/Disney decide to play that card.

18 tr October - 2013 at 8:08 am

why cant i read anything on this site, without the comments

19 Saratje November - 2013 at 9:23 am

SWTOR explains the decline of the Sith species in a few of its storylines. One member of the Sith species speaks his concerns of the Sith interbreeding with humans, explaining that many of the descendants of the Sith already lost their distinct ridges and red skin. In his words all that soon remains is the ‘red mark’, the Sith term for Sith DNA and seemingly the gene that gives most of the Sith force sensitivity. So by the time of Palpatine, the Sith may be little more than a genetic marker, passed on less and less often. The extinction of the Sith isn’t a war, or Revan’s Foundry droids (built to commit genocide on all who have Sith ancestors, citizens and soldiers alike). It is disappearence through interbreeding, similar to how today’s lead geneticists predict that in 500 years, blonde hair will no longer occur amongst homo sapiens.

20 Alex December - 2013 at 12:06 am

It is reasonable to believe that the Sith may become “extinct” through generations of intermarrying with the human population. However, if intermarriages can result in children of mixed ethnicity, the Sith are essentially a subspecies of humans and vice-versa.

Given this scientific fact, I believe it is logical that the Sith would have made a proactive step in curbing foreign influence. One of which is preserving the genetic purity of the Sith race.

One does not need to look too far to find a real life example. Japan and Germany are very strict in their naturalization process and approving visas for migrant workers. In Germany, one needs to have at least one German parent in order to become German; there is no naturalized citizen status in Germany. In Japan, the naturalization process takes such a long period of time, that one would need to stay a whole lifetime there in order to become a naturalized citizen. Not-with-standing, the arduous and very difficult application for a work visa, even if one is a skilled professional. In Japan, foreign nurses would need to take an exam that has a fail rate of over 90%.

In comparison, Israel, China, and the USA are more laxed on their immigration policies. In Israel, one needs only to be Jewish to be eligible of becoming an Israeli national. In China, one needs to renounce their citizenship of their home country to become a Chinese citizen. In the USA, one needs to be sponsored by an American citizen and live in the country for seven years.

In contrast in Star Wars Lore, there has been deep-seeded xenophobia towards “off-worlders” and (by implication) fervent nationalism. Thus is it logical that the Sith, if they managed to find a habitable planet, they would have followed the same pattern as.

So I still believe that the Jedi and the Republic have had to be responsible for the disappearance of the Sith.

21 Cocles December - 2013 at 3:12 pm

The question is whether or not a “life raft” of sorts will be created to introduce “Sith Purebloods” within the post Luke Skywalker era. Sith are the counter to the Jedi, with Disney now in control of Star Wars, I strongly suspect we’ll be seeing Cade Skywalker facing them eventually (if not his descendants).

22 Zibeti May - 2014 at 4:42 pm

The Jedi are like Samurai indeed and there is a question what are Sith based on? I have the answer. Look at Naga Sadow’s set in SWTOR. Look at Sith Academy building design. Look at the Valley of Dark Lords. Look at Korriban overall. And what you see? You see something that would look like if someone mixed Ancient Egypt with planet Mars. Red Egypt with Naga Sadow looking very closely to Pharaoh. Slavery in their society. And mentioned earlier Valley of Dark Lords made in the image of Valley of Kings. And that Pyramid like Sith Academy. Here is your answer.

And like Egypt nation. Sith Purebloods had their golden age but then great downfall. Being pushed by other species jealous and afraid of their greatness. Mostly seen in Lost Sith Tribal.

I too belive they are not extinct. They cannot be. Their natural affilition to Dark Side and power to create Dark Lore is unlike anything else in the Galaxy. All aliens including Humans reached for power they had, trying to be them or even being better them than Purebloods themselves. To me all non-Pureblood Sith are simple imposters. They are not born as Sith and if not by their teachings they could be Jedi or untrained force sensitive peasants. And if imposter Sith could survive to Skywalker times so can the real ones. Hidden, secluded, free to develop their lore and dark trachings even further. To points were alien minds do not reach.

I would personaly very like to see a Pureblood Sith society that has developed techiques that are completely new and beyond alien understanding. Because they are true Sith. Aliens that are learnt in their arts are nothing but monsters that wreak havoc in the galaxy and are unable to live in great numbers, except Lost Tribal that was formed in Pureblooded concept but even this abomination was nothing but laugh as soon Human only tribe started to vastly lose force sensitive people with only few people born with force.

A species that has over 90% force sensitives in their population and created unique civilization cannot simply vanish. It has been too long to see them as total losers that lost even their lives and time for them to return and set the right course. It has been too long since Korriban felt the foots of it’s real children.
And it has been too long since we saw real Sith army and society. Not this fake cult that Krayt created with it’s pathetic worshipers that acted more like slaves rather than Sith.

23 Miflestet August - 2014 at 2:20 pm

They were bred out of existence.

24 GalaxyMaster December - 2014 at 2:46 pm

If you will wait 1-3 years, I will have a Star Wars trilogy about both pureblood Sith and Jedi. I will also bring back Revan, the Sith Emperor, and Lord Scourge. If everyone will just wait, my trilogy will answer all your questions. The wait is worth it. I promise. May Herobrine be my witness. I’m serious.

25 GalaxyMaster December - 2014 at 2:48 pm

If you will just wait one to three years, I will write and publish a Star Wars trilogy about both pureblood Jedi and Sith alike. I already put on the Star Wars timeline on Wikipedia.

26 GalaxyMaster December - 2014 at 2:51 pm

No matter what, don’t listen to people like Miflestet. My trilogy will be so good they’ll be the new episodes 10-12.

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